The following is a
thread that involves an article I posted last year and (to me) a new
perception I gained from material in the Pistis Sophia. The thread
details an organic processes of sharing which seem to touch on
classic theosophy and Gnostic ideas expressed by Stephan A Hoeller
and ends up with a new understanding. The original post, Divine
Embryo, was a product of research, inspiration, and an ephemeral
extrasensory prescience which seems to track me and manifest itself
at its own pleasure. DS Reif-ed
Carl Klemaier (CK) brought up the idea that we are seeing another picture that is the
turning of a grand paradigm which is occurring over the centuries
transferring power back to God.
8/19
DSR: I updated TheDivine Embryo, and posted the update on
August 19 with the following citation from GRS Mead, "Summary of the
Contents of the So-called Pistis Sophia Treatis", p 461, under the
margin note, "Of His Own Incarnation" {1}
"Into Mary, His
mother, also He had implanted a power higher than them all, 'the
body which I bore Of His own Incarnation in the height,' and
also another power instead of the soul, and so Jesus was born. It was
He Himself who had watched over the birth of His disciples, so that
no soul of the world-rulers should be found in them, but one of a
higher nature."
This is a
description of Christ implanting the embryo of Jesus into Mary
Theotokos.
CK: Isn't this a
further comment on what you wrote a year or so on the virgin birth
idea?
DSR: Yes. It is all
quite remarkable. I posted an update on that very article
https://dsreif.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-divine-embryo.html
It has the citation,
link etc.
This is a concept at
the very edge of popular comprehension. The Gnostics have something
called an autogene {2} or "Christ the Autogenes" from the
Apocryphon of John {3} but the idea of implanting an embryo of your
similitude must have predicates?...Vedas? Buddhism? Egyptian mythos?
CK: The Tibetan's
have this seed of the Buddha within each person call the sugaata
{4}, I think. But what you are indicating is more of an avatar
idea.
Sri Aurobindo talked
about the super mental coming down in this age. You might look into
him.
DSR: Following your
advice I read what I could find from Aurobindo re avatars. Very
interesting focusing on the role of avatars but little about the
creation of avatars. Unfortunately resources are thin online so there
might be more if I was near an Aurobindo research group.
If I am reading GRS
Mead correctly then the process of creating the Christos by the
Christos opens a dimension of reality obliterating our concept of
time/space. This is in a way confirmed by Aurobindo’s ideas for the
role the avatars play in our world.
8/21
CK: So perhaps you
read that the main Aurobindo teaching was opening or bringing down
the high power supermental so is was more accessible to humanity. Sat
Shree and his teacher Atmananda both teach under that idea.
Atmananda spent time in the Aurobindo ashram in the 1980s. I was
told that his cousin was the head or high up in running one of the
centers perhaps in northern India. I was told that Atmananda was
told to go meditate in caves on Shiva mountain in Tiruvanamali
where I was and there he had big openings and lived on the streets
for a year in altered states. In his book he talks about the
difference between sat gurus, emanations, and incarnations [or
avatars]. All can awaken but the avatars like Krishna come to
reestablish the dharma or Truth when evil is in ascension.{5}
Sat Shree has been
using the term "the crack in the universe " to refer to a
higher state. Of course that would mean a crack in time and space.
Jesus was that crack and established a different moral foundation
than what had existed based on pure power equal good, i.e., all the
empires based on that.
So is that what your
describing?
8/23
DSR: Yes. Your comments
helped me make distinctions in these phenomena. GRS Mead admits that
the translations are difficult with the originals being lost or
stolen or destroyed by the Imperial Roman Church years ago. However
he is adamant that his work retains the sense and essence of the
original ideas due to his wide studies of the period and context. I
am comfortable with that and the translation is bolstered by the
Apocryphon of John.
I arrived at a
similar conclusion through study and inspiration likely informed by
the ewige wellenlanger all of which comports to what is in the
Pistis Sophia, which I had not studied until very recently. To me
that is another credibility point; evidently these thought-forms are
out there in the collective ether. So with the following as you
said:
'Sat Shree has been
using the term "the crack in the universe " to refer to a
higher state. Of course that would mean a crack in time and space."
That "crack"
may be a split in the Horos or limit between the Pluroma and our
material region according to Valentinus. {6}
That part of the
picture is rather clear. Integrating this into a weltanschauung (or
worldview) will be a challenge.
CK: Yes I love
"Worldviews" weltanschauung I remember from years ago.
I suppose what I've
been doing over the years is doing cross translating from one to the
other. They are like maps. Some older with distortion other with too
much detail. Some assert one truth topography for example while
others prefer population density. One prefers scientific language,
the other theological.
Someone like Sat
Shree mixes them all up. You have the gunas in one paragraph and
compensating structures in the next. Feeling into the body to find
your trauma mixed with talk about the knower and the known. The
Bhagavad Gita meets cognitive psychology and trauma therapy. So the
people I involved with him have some experiences, some very big like
the one you listened to by Anoop.
So I'm interested
in how you are going to choose which languages to use.
8/24
DSR: At first I was
overwhelmed to read the comments from the Pistis Sophia that related
to the material I published about the Virgin Birth. Inserting the
concept that it was Lord Christ who "engineered" the embryo
implanted into Mary Theotokas was foreign and even grotesque to my
sensibilities. I had not integrated the weltanschauung from the
Apocryphon of John which now seems clear.
However, as I have allowed the idea sink in and considered it as much as I could and the
whole concept began to make sense to me and finally it almost seems
to be an unavoidable conclusion.
If it was God who
was the architect of the plan and the Christos is a primary aspect of
God then of course He was part of the process towards his own
autogenic birth. Perhaps this is not the assumption that is most
appealing for our limited ability to comprehend but if it is part of
that Divine Will streaming here from the dwellings of God and who am
I to require the constructs of human reason as a qualification to
understanding His actions.
8/27
CK: I think this is
significant to our discussions. I was reading a commentary on the
Gita by the man I sent you the information about Sat Krishna Prem.
{7}
He talks about the axial age theology being different from the
previous fertility earth orientation. The ancient religious impulse
in humanity, pagan, Vedic even Hebrew was about founding God in the
world. The emphasis was on fertility and gaining favor and power.
With the new impulse
the incarnation force is about opening to a higher vision [nivritti]
interpreted as ascent in the Upanishads, Buddhism and Christendom,
are getting beyond the pull of the earthly desires.
Perhaps the present
incarnation force is empowered both to birth humanity and the
incarnation force. This was a prophecy of Jesus, John 14:12,
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the
works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father."
8/29
DSR: It seems that
the receptive aspect (female principle or yin energy) could give
back what it has accumulated and processed. The old gods of strength
and power are supplanted by emanations from the principles which have
been nurturing their energy for millennia.
This would
correspond with the ascension of the Gnostic view of Lord Christ and
the spiritual twin Lady Sophia. The yin energy was suppressed for
years by the Imperial Roman church in favor of conquest and control.
This may be the time of emergence where one spiritual form will not
overshadow another but rather will at long last find a harmony in our
understanding of the autogenic Christ who transcends all opposites.
Notes:
1
https://sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff66.htm
2 autogene-
self-replicating
3
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html
4 Sugaata-Chinese
"Tathāgata's storehouse" or Tibetan "embryonic
essence"
5
The modern Gnostic and theosophical philosopher Steven Hoeller
has a similar teaching in a lecture entitled, "The Rosy Cross"
https://thegnosticsociety.org/lectures/gnostic-mythic-reality-5/
6 http://valentinianism.com/
7
https://www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine/2754
The
book by Sri Krishna Prem (d.1965), "The Yoga
of the Bhagavad Gita", can be found here
https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Bhagavad-Gita-Krishna-Prem/dp/0140035729
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