The following is a thread that involves an article I posted last year and (to me) a new perception I gained from material in the Pistis Sophia. The thread details an organic processes of sharing which seem to touch on classic theosophy and Gnostic ideas expressed by Stephan A Hoeller and ends up with a new understanding. The original post, Divine Embryo, was a product of research, inspiration, and an ephemeral extrasensory prescience which seems to track me and manifest itself at its own pleasure. DS Reif-ed
Carl Klemaier (CK) brought up the idea that we are seeing another picture that is the turning of a grand paradigm which is occurring over the centuries transferring power back to God.
8/19
DSR: I updated TheDivine Embryo, and posted the update on August 19 with the following citation from GRS Mead, "Summary of the Contents of the So-called Pistis Sophia Treatis", p 461, under the margin note, "Of His Own Incarnation" {1}
"Into Mary, His mother, also He had implanted a power higher than them all, 'the body which I bore Of His own Incarnation in the height,' and also another power instead of the soul, and so Jesus was born. It was He Himself who had watched over the birth of His disciples, so that no soul of the world-rulers should be found in them, but one of a higher nature."
This is a description of Christ implanting the embryo of Jesus into Mary Theotokos.
CK: Isn't this a further comment on what you wrote a year or so on the virgin birth idea?
DSR: Yes. It is all quite remarkable. I posted an update on that very article https://dsreif.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-divine-embryo.html
It has the citation, link etc.
This is a concept at the very edge of popular comprehension. The Gnostics have something called an autogene {2} or "Christ the Autogenes" from the Apocryphon of John {3} but the idea of implanting an embryo of your similitude must have predicates?...Vedas? Buddhism? Egyptian mythos?
CK: The Tibetan's have this seed of the Buddha within each person call the sugaata {4}, I think. But what you are indicating is more of an avatar idea.
Sri Aurobindo talked about the super mental coming down in this age. You might look into him.
DSR: Following your advice I read what I could find from Aurobindo re avatars. Very interesting focusing on the role of avatars but little about the creation of avatars. Unfortunately resources are thin online so there might be more if I was near an Aurobindo research group.
If I am reading GRS Mead correctly then the process of creating the Christos by the Christos opens a dimension of reality obliterating our concept of time/space. This is in a way confirmed by Aurobindo’s ideas for the role the avatars play in our world.
8/21
CK: So perhaps you read that the main Aurobindo teaching was opening or bringing down the high power supermental so is was more accessible to humanity. Sat Shree and his teacher Atmananda both teach under that idea. Atmananda spent time in the Aurobindo ashram in the 1980s. I was told that his cousin was the head or high up in running one of the centers perhaps in northern India. I was told that Atmananda was told to go meditate in caves on Shiva mountain in Tiruvanamali where I was and there he had big openings and lived on the streets for a year in altered states. In his book he talks about the difference between sat gurus, emanations, and incarnations [or avatars]. All can awaken but the avatars like Krishna come to reestablish the dharma or Truth when evil is in ascension.{5}
Sat Shree has been using the term "the crack in the universe " to refer to a higher state. Of course that would mean a crack in time and space. Jesus was that crack and established a different moral foundation than what had existed based on pure power equal good, i.e., all the empires based on that.
So is that what your describing?
8/23
DSR: Yes. Your comments helped me make distinctions in these phenomena. GRS Mead admits that the translations are difficult with the originals being lost or stolen or destroyed by the Imperial Roman Church years ago. However he is adamant that his work retains the sense and essence of the original ideas due to his wide studies of the period and context. I am comfortable with that and the translation is bolstered by the Apocryphon of John.
I arrived at a similar conclusion through study and inspiration likely informed by the ewige wellenlanger all of which comports to what is in the Pistis Sophia, which I had not studied until very recently. To me that is another credibility point; evidently these thought-forms are out there in the collective ether. So with the following as you said:
'Sat Shree has been using the term "the crack in the universe " to refer to a higher state. Of course that would mean a crack in time and space."
That "crack" may be a split in the Horos or limit between the Pluroma and our material region according to Valentinus. {6}
That part of the picture is rather clear. Integrating this into a weltanschauung (or worldview) will be a challenge.
CK: Yes I love "Worldviews" weltanschauung I remember from years ago.
I suppose what I've been doing over the years is doing cross translating from one to the other. They are like maps. Some older with distortion other with too much detail. Some assert one truth topography for example while others prefer population density. One prefers scientific language, the other theological.
Someone like Sat Shree mixes them all up. You have the gunas in one paragraph and compensating structures in the next. Feeling into the body to find your trauma mixed with talk about the knower and the known. The Bhagavad Gita meets cognitive psychology and trauma therapy. So the people I involved with him have some experiences, some very big like the one you listened to by Anoop.
So I'm interested in how you are going to choose which languages to use.
8/24
DSR: At first I was overwhelmed to read the comments from the Pistis Sophia that related to the material I published about the Virgin Birth. Inserting the concept that it was Lord Christ who "engineered" the embryo implanted into Mary Theotokas was foreign and even grotesque to my sensibilities. I had not integrated the weltanschauung from the Apocryphon of John which now seems clear.
However, as I have allowed the idea sink in and considered it as much as I could and the whole concept began to make sense to me and finally it almost seems to be an unavoidable conclusion.
If it was God who was the architect of the plan and the Christos is a primary aspect of God then of course He was part of the process towards his own autogenic birth. Perhaps this is not the assumption that is most appealing for our limited ability to comprehend but if it is part of that Divine Will streaming here from the dwellings of God and who am I to require the constructs of human reason as a qualification to understanding His actions.
8/27
CK: I think this is significant to our discussions. I was reading a commentary on the Gita by the man I sent you the information about Sat Krishna Prem. {7} He talks about the axial age theology being different from the previous fertility earth orientation. The ancient religious impulse in humanity, pagan, Vedic even Hebrew was about founding God in the world. The emphasis was on fertility and gaining favor and power.
With the new impulse the incarnation force is about opening to a higher vision [nivritti] interpreted as ascent in the Upanishads, Buddhism and Christendom, are getting beyond the pull of the earthly desires.
Perhaps the present incarnation force is empowered both to birth humanity and the incarnation force. This was a prophecy of Jesus, John 14:12, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."
8/29
DSR: It seems that the receptive aspect (female principle or yin energy) could give back what it has accumulated and processed. The old gods of strength and power are supplanted by emanations from the principles which have been nurturing their energy for millennia.
This would correspond with the ascension of the Gnostic view of Lord Christ and the spiritual twin Lady Sophia. The yin energy was suppressed for years by the Imperial Roman church in favor of conquest and control. This may be the time of emergence where one spiritual form will not overshadow another but rather will at long last find a harmony in our understanding of the autogenic Christ who transcends all opposites.
Notes:
1 https://sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff66.htm
2 autogene- self-replicating
3 http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html
4 Sugaata-Chinese "Tathāgata's storehouse" or Tibetan "embryonic essence"
5 The modern Gnostic and theosophical philosopher Steven Hoeller has a similar teaching in a lecture entitled, "The Rosy Cross" https://thegnosticsociety.org/lectures/gnostic-mythic-reality-5/
7 https://www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine/2754
The book by Sri Krishna Prem (d.1965), "The Yoga of the Bhagavad Gita", can be found here https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Bhagavad-Gita-Krishna-Prem/dp/0140035729
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